One of us is at the top of the spice chain ... but only the New Jersey-level spice chain.

We've talked about what's inside our refrigerators before. Now, we want to know what's stuck to the outside.

What time do your kids turn into pumpkins, and who makes the rules? (Turns out, it's not always the parents.)

Your road map to this week's entertainment-themed podcast:

00:52 So You Think You Can Dance: We have a winner, and it's Hannahlei. Power to the tiny, bendy, teen-aged dancers! We congratulate her, and feel sure we'll see many of the top 10 again somewhere. They were all deserving. Mentioned: Our special correspondent's report on Dancing with the Stars Live.

09:08 Making It: We have another winner, and it's Khiem! We were thrilled to see him take home that giant wooden paycheck. But we do have a few suggestions for the producers when it comes to season 2. To you, we suggest checking out all the crafters on Instagram, because they are delightful:

• Nicole Sweeney
• Khiem Nguyen
• Jemma Olson
• Jeff Rudell 
• Amber Kemp-Gerstel
• Robert Mahar
• Jo Gick
• Billy Kheel

23:37 The West Wing: No new episode this week, but we have a couple of comments on the West Wing Weekly's podcast on last week's "The Warfare of Genghis Khan."

For next week, we'll return to The West Wing ("An Khe" from season 5), and take on two challenges. Catherine challenged Terri to watch "Searching for Small Town Charm" from season 3 of Fixer Upper (available on HGTV.com). Terri challenged Catherine to watch the pilot of Elementary (available on iTunes and Amazon).

00:32 Shoe Situation: Wearing two different shoes all day: Cause for concern, or fashion statement?

08:28 Thou Shalt Obey These Rules: We set out to make a list of 10 Commandments for How to Treat Parents. Guess how many we actually came up with?

22:28 Speed Round: Or Else! If you choose to break our commandments, you will suffer the consequences.

32:31 Roundabout Roundup: The upcoming Gluten-Free Expo in Secaucus, NJ; the Spanx bra that changed Nicole's life; credit freezes.

41:44 Shameless Self-Promotion: The 2018 Inclusion Collaborative Conference; a new post at Parenting Isn't Pretty; 7 Genius, Skill-Building, Confidence-Boosting Chores.

Thanks as always to Jon Morin for our fun in-and-out music. If you're reading this somewhere without hyperlinks, come to http://parentingroundabout.com for the full recap experience.

Since Nicole doesn't usually join in on the Round 2 fun, we each give a little report on what's on our TVs these days.

If you take us out to lunch, we will gladly pay our share and maybe even yours too. (Just please, take us out to lunch!)

Back in 2016, we shared our most frequently used emojis. Has anything changed in two years? 

Your road map to this week's entertainment-themed episode:

00:35 So You Think You Can Dance: No eliminations, as the top 4 performed a total of 14 different dances for our review. Did those dances help us decide who to vote for, or were they TMI?

12:20 The West Wing: Somehow, "The Warfare of Genghis Khan," an episode about a looming nuclear crisis, did not give us the same feelings of dread that "Slow News Day" did.

20:30 Making It: Speaking of feelings of dread, we continue to have them for the judges on this otherwise lovely show.

Next week, it's finale time for both SYTYCD and Making It, so we'll cover those two and put The West Wing on a seven-day hiatus.

00:31 School Security: We would like our kids to be able to move about freely, but also stay safe. It's a conundrum.

10:26 Vacations We Need: Inspired by a Facebook post, we dream up fantasy vacations. It turns out we care very little about luxury accommodations or exotic destinations. What we really need is a cozy bed and a Worry Concierge. Mentioned: Family reading weekend at Design Mom.

22:33 Speed Round: Embracing Our Age: Taking a vacation just to sleep sounds like something an older person would do. And there are lots of other things we enjoy about the ages we are.

33:50 Roundabout Roundup: The free Merck Manual app; "Yes, As In" on the Allusionist podcast and Nick Offerman on the Poscast; Grown and Flown on Facebook.

39:45 Shameless Self-Promotion: Nicole's book is on sale right now; Terri's updating her blog regularly; Catherine interviewed Katherine Reynolds Lewis at Highlights (you can also hear Katherine on this Speed Round). 

Thanks as always to Jon Morin for our fun in-and-out music. If you're reading this somewhere without hyperlinks, come to http://parentingroundabout.com for the full recap experience.